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Phish: July 29, 2017 – Madison Square Garden

August 3, 2017
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While EricPH took less than twenty-four hours to post his recording of this show, I’ve taken way too long to make mine available and as a result I’m doing a new post and using the opportunity to gather some thoughts about these shows.

Its pretty amazing watching musical history in the making — as it happens. Now that the “Baker’s Dozen” Phish run at Madison Square Garden is more than halfway done, it has become apparent that this isn’t just a big run of shows at one venue but an event never quite seen before in musical history. The band has dedicated to making sure that no song is repeated during the entire run, created themes for each night, and playing against all of the expectations that come with a band that’s existed for longer than some of its fans have been alive. The first sets aren’t just single song play-throughs, the shorter songs can now be jam vehicles, and there’s no predictable place for a song in the setlist. Add to that a bunch of break-outs, rare numbers and first-time covers, and Phish has pretty much committed themselves to “Baker’s Dozen” perhaps becoming the bell-weather upon which to measure their lengthy career. And as this Uproxx article from earlier today notes, Phish has created a model for fan-friendly artist presentation that most bands with significant fan-bases should follow.

This Saturday night show had some serious highlights as noted by Eric’s review. There was the surprise first set closer of “Walrus”, the twenty-three minute second set opener “Blaze On” that might be the best version of that song the band has ever played, and the set closing Hood. I’ve also always been partial to the band’s goofy anthem “Meatstick” and this version was a hoot. Overall, it was just another prime show in a classic run and we’re lucky to be capturing two more of these nights this coming weekend. Stay tuned.

I recorded this in the exact same place and manner as the July 22 recording (first row taper’s section with cards) and the sound is equally excellent. Enjoy!

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Phish
2017-07-29
Madison Square Garden
New York NY

Digital Master Recording
First Row Tapers Section

Schoeps CCM4u Cardioids > Sound Devices 744t > 24bit 48kHz wav > Soundforge (post production) > CDWave 1.95 (tracking) > TLH > flac (320 MP3 and tagging via Foobar)

Recorded and Produced by nyctaper

Setlist:
Set 1
[Total Time 1:16:54]
01 Llama
02 Wilson
03 Stealing Time From the Faulty Plan
04 Ya Mar [Cyril Ferguson]
05 Tela
06 The Birds
07 The Line
08 Water in the Sky
09 Vultures
10 Train Song
11 Horn
12 I Am the Walrus [Beatles]

Set 2:
[Total Time 1:21:51]
13 Blaze On
14 Twenty Years Later
15 Alumni Blues – Letter to Jimmy Page – Alumni Blues
16 Meatstick
17 Dirt
18 Harry Hood
19 [encore break]
20 Cinnamon Girl [Neil Young]

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Phish: July 29, 2017 Madison Square Garden

July 30, 2017
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Night seven of the Baker’s Dozen was dubbed the cinnamon donut night. And while there are an overwhelming number of obvious and not-so-obvious songs that fit thematically, the band didn’t go overboard with cinnamon references aside from the semi-predictable Neil Young cover (which they pulled off perfectly). Otherwise it’s a varied set—at least for this Phish newbie—that has them jamming on a (pardon me) blazing “Blaze On” to open the second set, a first-set closing “I Am the Walrus,” and a killer “Alumni Blues” with the “Letter to Jimmy Page” bridge. While nothing could hold a candle to the previous night’s “Chalk Dust Torture,” this is no doubt a solid set throughout.

Eric PH recorded this set with the Schoeps MK41V’s mounted in the official taper’s section, from row 1 seat 1. NYCTaper will follow up with his Schoeps source shortly. Enjoy!

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Phish
2017-07-29
Madison Square Garden
New York, NY

Baker’s Dozen #7

Recorded and produced by Eric PH for nyctaper.com

Schoeps MK41V (OTS, LOC) > Aerco MP-2 > Zoom F8 > WAV (24/48) > Adobe Audition CC (compression, normalize, fades) + Izotope Ozone 5 (EQ, exciter) > Audacity 2.0.5 (tracking, tagging) > FLAC (24/48, level 8)

Set 1:
01. Llama
02. Wilson
03. Stealing Time From the Faulty Plan
04. Ya Mar [Cyril Ferguson]
05. Tela
06. The Birds
07. The Line
08. Water in the Sky
09. Vultures
10. Train Song
11. Horn
12. I Am the Walrus [The Beatles]

Set 2:
13. Blaze On
14. Twenty Years Later
15. Alumni Blues > Letter to Jimmy Page > Alumni Blues
16. Meatstick
17. Dirt
18. Harry Hood
19. [encore break]
20. Cinnamon Girl [Neil Young]

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Phish: July 28, 2017 Madison Square Garden

July 29, 2017
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The sixth night of Phish’sBaker’s Dozen” shows at Madison Square Garden was thematically the “double chocolate” donut show. This presented some challenges for song selection as Phish’s vast catalog does not contain a song with the word “chocolate” in its title. But ultimately, in a run of never-ending surprises and first-time covers, Phish chose to open with the 2007 novelty one-hit wonder “Chocolate Rain” by Tay Zonday. The balance of the first set was comprised of fairly short dips through some obscure numbers (“Destiny Unbound”) and the classic material (“Divided Sky”), with the set-closing “Sand” perhaps the highlight of the eleven-song set.

The second set began with another acapella number (The Might Diamonds’ “Have Mercy”) before Phish launched into the first serious jam of the night—a tremendous “Chalkdust Torture.” The chocolate theme appeared again with a cover of Hot Chocolate’s “You Sexy Thing” with Mike on vocals. The second chance to jam was the segues between “Mercury,” “Sexy Thing Reprise” and an extended “Backwards” that ended the set in fine fashion. The encore segment closed with another acapella number, this time an inventive and entertaining version of Bowie’s “Space Oddity.”

Eric PH recorded this set with the AKG CK61’s mounted in the official taper’s section, while acidjack recorded with Schoeps MK4V on the same stand. The sound quality of both is excellent. Enjoy!

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Phish
2017-07-28
Madison Square Garden
New York, NY

The Baker’s Dozen

Recorded and produced by Eric PH for nyctaper.com

AKG C480B/CK61 (DIN, OTS, DFC) > Aerco MP-2 > Zoom F8 > WAV (24/48) > Adobe Audition CC (compression, normalize, fades) + Izotope Ozone 5 (EQ, exciter) > Audacity 2.0.5 (tracking, tagging) > FLAC (24/48, level 8)

Set 1:
01. Chocolate Rain [Tay Zonday]
02. Ass Handed
03. Free
04. Weigh
05. Undermind
06. The Oh Gee Pa Ceremony
07. The Dogs
08. Destiny Unbound
09. The Divided Sky
10. Things People Do
11. Sand

Set 2:
12. Have Mercy [The Mighty Diamonds]
13. Chalk Dust Torture
14. You Sexy Thing [Hot Chocolate]
15. Mercury > You Sexy Thing
16. Backwards Down the Number Line
17. Rock & Roll [The Velvet Underground]
18. [encore break]
19. Fee
20. Space Oddity [David Bowie]

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Phish
2017-07-28
Madison Square Garden
New York, NY

The Baker’s Dozen

Recorded and produced by acidjack for nyctaper.com

Schoeps MK4V (PAS, OTS, DFC) > Sound Devices MixPre6 > WAV (24/48) > Adobe Audition CC (compression, normalize, fades) + Izotope Ozone 5 (EQ, exciter) > Audacity 2.0.5 (tracking, tagging) > FLAC (24/48, level 8)

Set 1:
01 Chocolate Rain [Tay Zonday]
02 Ass Handed
03 Free
04 Weigh
05 Undermind
06 The Oh Kee Pah Ceremony
07 The Dogs
08 Destiny Unbound
09 The Divided Sky
10 Things People Do
11 Sand

Set 2:
12 Have Mercy [The Mighty Diamonds]
13 Chalk Dust Torture
14 You Sexy Thing [Hot Chocolate]
15 Mercury > You Sexy Thing
16 Backwards Down the Number Line
17 Rock & Roll [The Velvet Underground]
[encore break clipped]
18 Fee
19 Space Oddity [David Bowie]

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Phish: July 22, 2017 Madison Square Garden

July 23, 2017
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Phish’s “Baker’s Dozen” at Madison Square Garden is an ambitious concert series that promises an unmatched level of musicianship and inventiveness never before seen in the history of the City’s “Most Famous Arena”. We’ve attended many shows at this formidable arena over the years, but never a series that offered such unique treats. The “Bakers” part of the equation has been taken quite seriously — we were met at the gates of the venue by the gift of a strawberry donut for Saturday night’s show. And this was no coincidence. The theme for this night’s show appeared immediately as Phish’s never-before cover of the Beatles “Strawberry Fields Forever” opened the night.

The first set for Saturday followed another development evident throughout the band’s Summer tour — first sets have become serious jam vehicles no longer relegated to straight song play-throughs. And on this night we were treated to an extended “Moma Dance” and a Page McConnell solo piece to complete the “Squirming Coil” set closer that portended unique events to come. The second set began with a lengthy “Down With Disease” which led into the night’s second major surprise — a cover of the thematically appropriate Brothers Johnson’s “Strawberry Letter 23”. This late-70s psychedelic funk piece offered a perfect vehicle for Phish to exercise its chops. The remainder of the second set followed the pattern for the evening as the band played extended versions of crowd favorites. The encore segment struck home in particular as Phish played a local favorite — The Talking Heads classic “Cities”, among a series of inventive covers. We were met upon the exit of the venue with a downpour of rain that perhaps dampened the night temporarily but given our advantageous taper’s section spot, wasn’t a killjoy for very long. This is uploaded as fast as I can these days, and I hope you enjoy a primo recording of a first-rate Phish show, with many more to come.

We will be attending at least four more Phish shows during this run. Stay tuned.

I recorded this set with the Schoeps cards mounted at twelve feet in the first row of the Taper’s Section. The band’s sound crew did a terrific job in this arena and sound quality is superb. Enjoy!

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Phish
2017-07-22
Madison Square Garden
New York NY

Digital Master Recording
First Row Tapers Section

Schoeps CCM4u Cardioids > Sound Devices 744t > 24bit 48kHz wav > Soundforge (post production) > CDWave 1.95 (tracking) > TLH > flac (320 MP3 and tagging via Foobar)

Recorded and Produced by nyctaper

Setlist:
Set 1
[Total Time 1:22:03]
01 Strawberry Fields Forever [Beatles]
02 Halley’s Comet
03 The Moma Dance
04 Breath and Burning
05 Funky Bitch [Son Seals]
06 Mound
07 Foam
08 Roggae
09 The Squirming Coil

Set 2
[Total Time 1:22:42]
10 Down With Disease
11 Strawberry Letter 23 [Brothers Johnson]
12 Birds of a Feather
13 I Always Wanted It This Way
14 All of These Dreams
15 Split Open and Melt
16 Down With Disease Reprise
17 Shine a Light [Rolling Stones]
18 [encore break]
19 Peaches en Regalia [Zappa]
20 Cities [Talking Heads]
21 My Sweet One

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Phish: October 15, 2016 North Charleston Coliseum, Charleston, SC

October 17, 2016
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Whether this second night of Phish‘s 2016 fall run appealed to you or not, it wasn’t a night for the fans who love the big rockers, or the hits. It’s no surprise that the band’s latest album Big Boat saw heavy representation, including a debut of “I Always Wanted It This Way.” There’s considerable pressure on acts in the fourth decade of their career to “play the hits,” and while Phish may not have “hits” in the same way as some other bands, they still have those tour staples that the fans expect to see in regular rotation. While those classics were present from time to time in this set — “Maze,” “Wolfman’s Brother,” “Possum,” “Twist,” and “Carini,” for example — the songs just named were about it. If the band wanted to send the message that “Phish 3.0” still believes that it has new music worth making, they did that on this night.

Any Phish show is likely to have its fanboys and its detractors, and part of the fun of a band like this is that one person’s relative bummer of a set can fall firmly in another dozen’s wheelhouse. That said, people who have attended far more shows than I have can better describe the alchemy of a transcendent Phish set, and most longtime fans I spoke with admitted that this unevenly-paced one at the North Charleston Coliseum didn’t quite have it. It’s not unfair to say that some of these Big Boat and Fuego songs need more road time to come into their own, though the saccharine “Joy” has had since 2009 and doesn’t seem likely to. In addition to the selection of material, there was the pacing, as the first set started off with a string of mostly-mediocre material before “Maze” came along to refocus everyone’s attention. Even a solid “Carini” (though marred by childish screaming during the chorus) couldn’t quite make that first set make sense, especially as it was led into by the gimmicky, off-key and quite frankly annoying “Ass Handed” interlude.

The second set overall was much better, with the non-album track “Mercury,” leading off as an absolute highlight, followed by “Twist” into the extremely strong debut of “I Always Wanted It This Way.” The proggy, synth-led track felt like the kind of new music you hope a band makes at this point in their career, representing such an evolution that it made the song feel like a familiar-sounding cover. Unfortunately, things went back off the rails after that, as the buzz-killing “Miss You” was followed by the milquetoast “Fuego.” After a killer “Sand” put things back on the right track, we got plunged back into ballad territory with “Joy” before “Possum” closed things out on a high note. The one-song encore nodded toward another of the band’s strongest traits, as they delivered a rollicking “Good Times, Bad Times,” that found Trey taking his best shot at Robert Plant and Jimmy Page at once.

Nonetheless, there’s plenty to like about this tour so far. Mainly because it’s not a greatest-hits tour–this band is actually trying to make something new, after all this time. If this part of the tour has a few stutter-steps, or a few shows that are slightly less-than, you still have to reward this band for being what it is. For trying.

I recorded this set at the soundboard with Schoeps MK41V supercardiods into an Aeta PSP3 preamp. The right channel of “Blaze” was patched from the left channel during most of the song, but the remainder of the show’s sound quality is excellent. Enjoy!

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Phish
2016-10-15
North Charleston Coliseum
Charleston, SC USA

Recorded and produced by acidjack

Schoeps MK41V>KC5>CMC6>Aeta PSP3>Roland R-26>24bit/48kHz WAV>Audacity (patch right channel for 4min of first song, fades, track, amplify, downsample, dither)>FLAC ( level 8 )

Tracks [Total Time 2:40:23]
Set I
01 Blaze On
02 What’s the Use?
03 Martian Monster
04 Devotion to a Dream
05 Waking Up Dead
06 Timber [Josh White]
07 Things People Do
08 Let Me Lie
09 Maze
10 Ass Handed
11 Carini
12 Wolfman’s Brother

Set II
13 Mercury>
14 Twist
15 I Always Wanted It This Way
16 Miss You
17 Fuego>
18 Sand
19 Joy
20 Possum

Encore
21 Good Times Bad Times [Led Zeppelin]

Phish: July 12, 2014 Randall’s Island – FLAC/MP3/Streaming

July 13, 2014
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[photos by acidjack]

Phish represents a lot of things that people don’t understand. Tell those who listen to almost all of the other bands I listen to that you’re going to a Phish show, and expect rolled eyes and chuckles. At one time, Phish meant to its fans the continuation of the promise of The Grateful Dead and the beautiful movement they created; that gave way, in short order, to Phish being a juggernaut in its own right. If anything, the band’s very stylistic and and generational dissimilarity to the Dead is a key source of lament for its detractors. For others, so is the fact that they play really long songs, some of which have wincingly twee lyrical concepts. These things, I’ll concede.

Some people will never be convinced, but if you’re in the mood to be, you could do worse than starting with this excellent Village Voice blog post. Maybe a Phish show is a “you have to be there” kind of thing, but I’d like not to think so. Their career was, after all, built in part by people sharing live tapes. If you listen to this recording, in particular the emotional rollercoaster of a kickoff to the second set from “Punch You In the Eye” into “Carini”, followed by an especially cosmic rendition of “Ghost”, you might get an inkling of what this is all about when its firing on all cylinders. What’s on offer is neither party music nor music school pyrotechnics nor straight ahead rock n’ roll, but some combination of all three, a high wire act of a journey for its audience that only masters of their craft could create. One can’t ignore, too, the skills of Phish’s crew, especially veteran light man Chris Kuroda, who makes Phish’s shows as visually stunning as anything in the music business, and the entire FOH sound crew, who accomplished the difficult feat of making a windy, open-field outdoor venue sound flawless.

I haven’t attended a huge number of shows myself (this was the first I taped since 1999, though I’ve attended others since then), so, as was commented on our post of last night’s show, I won’t allow myself standing to say whether this was a “great” Phish show. But it was a reminder of the many things this band has done so right. Haters might ask themselves what they have against a band who created a community this large and this durable organically, turning their hard work into something commercially successful and culturally relevant, even if not to the mainstream. “Phish 3.0” at this point has a little something for everybody, community-wise, continuing to grow its fan base from the grizzled vets to the kids in their early 20s getting into their groove for the first time. For us tapers, seeing the band at this point is part ritual, part nostalgia trip. Most people are aware that they sell very good soundboard recordings on their site, meaning what we’re doing doesn’t have the same relevance, maybe, that it did before. But the mere act of recording the band is, for us, our connection to the community and to a band that for many of us was the one that brought us into the hobby to begin with. We share the recordings not only because they represent our own personal takes on the show, but out of tradition, community, and the original spirit that made this band what it is today.

I recorded this set from the same position nyctaper used for last night’s recording, forward of the board and dead center. Tonight’s recording was made with Schoeps MK4V cardiod microphones and the warm Aerco custom preamp. The crowd was generally respectful around us, meaning the only occasional flaws are gusts of wind that were stronger than those experienced last night. Enjoy!

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Phish
2014-07-12
Randall’s Island
New York, NY USA

Hosted at nyctaper.com
Recorded and produced by acidjack

Schoeps MK4V (FOB, DFC, PAS, 7ft)>KC5>CMC6>Aerco MP-2>Sony PCM-M10>24bit/44.1kHz WAV>Izotope Ozone 5 (EQ, effects)>Adobe Audition CS 5.5 (fades, light compression)>Audacity 2.0.3 (tracking, amplify, balance, dither)>FLAC ( level 8 )

Set One [1:20:57]
01 AC/DC Bag>
02 46 Days
03 [banter]
04 Yarmouth Road
05 Devotion To A Dream
06 Free
07 My Sweet One>
08 Back on the Train
09 [banter2]
10 Halfway to the Moon>
11 Sparkle
12 A Song I Heard the Ocean Sing
13 The Line
14 Run Like An Antelope

Set Two [1:34:05]
15 [crowd in]
16 Punch You In the Eye>
17 Carini
18 Ghost>
19 Wingsuit
20 Rock N’ Roll [Lou Reed]>
21 Harry Hood
22 [encore break]
23 Tube
24 Joy
25 First Tube

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Phish: July 11, 2014 Randall’s Island – Flac/MP3/Streaming

July 12, 2014
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[photo by Scott Harris]

I’ll be the first to admit that my street cred when it comes to Phish is pretty light. After all, its been almost fifteen years since I’ve actually even seen the band live. That night in the Fall of 1999 at Nassau Coliseum was a fairly famous Phish event, when lyricist Tom Marshall took the stage to sing a few covers with the band. I was also at a Madison Square Garden show during New Year’s week in 1998 when the band played a mini acoustic set in the middle of the show. But 90s memories aside, I do still have some very good friends with close connections to the band — close enough to give us the first-report exclusive of the Phish reunion way back in August of 2008, for which we took a lot of flak but which ultimately proved to be correct. So when it was announced that Phish would play three local GA shows at Randall’s Island I figured it was about time I got out and saw them again and brought to the site a recording that many of our readers have asked about over the years.

The trek to Randall’s started out a little rocky — a long line and long-ish wait for the Ferry. But once on the boat the day went about as smooth as could be expected. At the GA shows, there is no “tapers’ section” to speak of, so when I arrived as the second taper to reach the spot we pretty much set up where we landed — about 30 feet in front of the board and pretty close to the ideal spot. Phish fans take a lot of criticism but in reality people were extremely nice to us and also respectful of the rigs. We weren’t able to raise the mic pole as high as I would have liked because we were instructed not to block the band’s cameras, but even with a “low” pole, there is surprisingly little chatter on this recording.

My knowledge of Phish is not sufficient for me to say whether this was a “great” show but I’m pretty sure it was a very good one. Perhaps motivated by the release of their new album Fuego, by all accounts of the current tour the band is playing very well right now. And while Friday’s show did feature songs from the new album (we are streaming the excellent performance of “Fuego”), the show itself didn’t dwell on the new material with only three played. Overall the band played a nice selection of songs highlighted by first set standouts “Bathtub Gin” (also streaming) and “Stash”, and second set stalwarts “Down With Disease” and “David Bowie” and a rare-ish cover of local band TV on the Radio (“Golden Age”). I can’t say this show will make me drop everything and follow Phish on tour, but I certainly won’t wait another 15 years to see them again.

I recorded this show with the large diaphragm Neumann mics from the front of board spot referenced above. These mics perform well outdoors and this show was no exception. There are two bumps from balloons, but with the excellent location, good crowd and no weather-related issues, this recording came out superbly. Enjoy!

acidjack and hi and lo will be recording the Saturday night Phish show for posting on the site on Sunday or Monday.

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Phish
2014-07-11
Randalls Island
New York NY

Digital Master Recording
Front of Board Audience

Neumann TLM-102 Large Diaphragm Cardioids > Edirol R-44 (Oade Concert Mod) > 24bit 48kHz wav file > Soundforge (level adjustments, mixdown, set fades) > CDWave 1.95 (tracking) > TLH > flac (320 MP3 and tagging via Foobar)

Recorded and Produced
by nyctaper

Setlist:
Set 1
[Total Time 1:21:42]
01 Moma Dance
02 Kill Devil Falls
03 Ya Mar
04 Bathtub Gin
05 [banter – how many people walked]
06 Five Fifty-Five
07 Rift
08 Sample in a Jar
09 The Wedge
10 Waiting All Night
11 Stash

Set 2
[Total Time 1:20:05]
12 Steam
13 Down With Disease
14 Golden Age [TV on the Radio]
15 Limb by Limb
16 Fuego
17 David Bowie
18 Cavern
19 [encore break]
20 Character Zero

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Phish Summer Tour Announced Today

January 8, 2009
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Alright, so we’re going to keep harping on this. We broke this story last August and while some people were appreciative of the news, we took a lot of crap here and elsewhere for posting all the way back in Summer of 2008 the news that Phish would tour in the Summer of 2009.

Today, finally, officially, we have our news confirmed. The Phish summer tour dates are posted at phish.com. Local dates include two at Jones Beach and one show in Camden. No NYC shows announced…yet.

Phish Official Announcement — 3 Shows in March in Hampton VA

October 1, 2008
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As we announced back in August, our inside source learned that Phish would return in 2009. About 20 minutes ago, three dates were officially announced at Phish.com — March 6, 7 and 8 at the Coliseum in Hampton Virginia. Limited Tickets at Phish.com are available now, and the general sale begins on October 18.

Phish Will Reunite for Summer Tour 2009

August 14, 2008
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A long time friend of mine has been friends with a member of Phish for years. This past weekend, at a wedding party for another friend of the band, it was revealed that Phish will reunite for a tour next Summer. Readers can give this information whatever credibility they feel it deserves. However, this source has never provided me with incorrect information about any Phish-related non-public news or any music news for that matter.

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